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Post by villabromsgrove Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:39 pm

I think Dr T needs to be advised to stay away from social media on a personal basis. It will end in tears because there are too many sharp trolls waiting for opportunities to ply their grubby trade.
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Post by Sandie Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:01 pm

I tend to agree. Good as it is to have a communicative owner there are always going to be people who will try to ruin it.
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Post by villabromsgrove Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:45 pm

I see Tony has got himself into another argument on Twitter. He meant well by trying to use media, but I'm sure he's bright enough to figure out that it's totally inadvisable for a club owner.
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Post by Sandie Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:00 pm

Yes, this Xia Twitter thing isn't working.
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Post by Jim Villan Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:36 am

So the Wolves takeover has gone through, On a short term level, this is a really good thing for Villa. Dr Tony strikes me as someone who is extremely ambitious and fiercely competitive and this will only further his drive and urgency to grow Villa as quickly as he can as he desperately wants to be the torch barer for Chinese Premiership ownership!
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Post by villabromsgrove Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:44 am

Jim Villan wrote:So the Wolves takeover has gone through, On a short term level, this is a really good thing for Villa. Dr Tony strikes me as someone who is extremely ambitious and fiercely competitive and this will only further his drive and urgency to grow Villa as quickly as he can as he desperately wants to be the torch barer for Chinese Premiership ownership!  
Thanks for this Jim .... I've just copied this off news now to give some background to the story.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wolverhampton-wanderers-takeover-analysis-jorge-11637992

I think you're right about this animating Dr T.
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Post by Sandie Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:37 pm

Shades of our takeover there too. Big name tycoons getting linked (Robin Li in their case, Larry Ellison in our's) without much substance and then when the ultimate buyer is announced the collective response is "Who?". Fosun have the same kind of "mysterious conglomerate" look that Recon do.

I hope Dr. X is a competitive man.
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Post by villabromsgrove Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:43 pm

Sandie wrote:Shades of our takeover there too. Big name tycoons getting linked (Robin Li in their case, Larry Ellison in our's) without much substance and then when the ultimate buyer is announced the collective response is "Who?". Fosun have the same kind of "mysterious conglomerate" look that Recon do.

I hope Dr. X is a competitive man.
Their chairman is the 17th richest person in China, so they should be alright. I noticed that a so called Chinese investment expert said that Wolves would be higher up the league than Villa in the future!

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Post by Sandie Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:11 pm

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Striking a very different tone from a few weeks ago...
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Post by villabromsgrove Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:00 pm

Sandie wrote:Dr. Tony Xia. - Page 14 Dr_tx10

Striking a very different tone from a few weeks ago...
I posted about this tweet on the transfer speculation thread a few minutes ago. I hadn't seen your post at the time, but it seems we're both concerned about the change in rhetoric.
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Post by Mr Natterjack Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:46 pm

Different tone indeed.

Our problem under Lerner ever since the summer O'Neill walked was that our net spend simply wasn't anywhere near enough for the Premier League and the focus wasn't on improving the first 11.. each year we let good key players go and we replaced them with weaker (cheaper) options and slowly declined more and more. If we let the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye go (who are all under contract, so we can demand they stay and help us back up), and replace them with slightly weaker, slightly cheaper, slightly less-proven players who would be willing to join a Championship club then we just make the same old Randy Lerner mistake again.

Yes, our management and the decisions (especially team selections) were shocking last season and that should naturally improve with the combined sense of RDM, Clarke and Bond.. but if there's a reluctance to spend, to add key players and match winners where needed, and overall we fail to realise that higher price tags and wages = more proven, more effective players on that green football pitch, then it's concerning.

If there's anything to learn from the failings of 'splashing money' from previous seasons, it's simply: 'go for quality, NOT quantity'.. we've seen so many signings that haven't been able to slot straight into the first 11 simply because they're not quite up to standard (that's what you get when you don't pay full price).. we've ended up buying 'potentially good' players rather than proven players, only to find out they're not quite up to standard and have had to replace them the following year, or have just stuck with a player who doesn't quite cut it for multiple seasons (think, Bacuna, Westwood, signings like Tonev, Bennett etc etc).. they end up being part of an expensive looking squad but don't improve results come match day. That's what you get when you buy cheaply and take a punt, rather than bringing in proven quality (summed up perfectly when we bought Sylla over Moussa Sissoko because his wages were lower).

Who knows, maybe we've already done it with Gollini and Tshibola, but I like to think optimistically and hope they work out. How do we make help them work out? By surrounding them with a few proven quality players before the season starts, while we still have the chance (for me right now I'd try for Gunter and Sako). We also went for the cheaper punts/ unproven managers under Lerner, only to find out we'd soon have to sack and replace them = more wasted money, but that's another story.

If Dr. Tony means 'we need to spend money where it counts, and sensibly i.e. only buying players we definitely will use) then I'm all for that, but if it means spending less and not being willing to pay for completely proven quality then I'd be worried. Also if it means avoiding making signings to see if we can make the best of what we have for this season (minus whatever players we can't manage to hold onto e.g. Ayew, Veretout, Amavi) then I'd be very worried.

In response to this statement I'd also point back to the time the Leicester owner said he'd be willing to spend whatever it takes to ensure they'd make it to the top 5 a couple of years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27387616

He followed this statement up by spending the right amount to bring in enough key players to secure their premier league status, whilst NOT selling a single first team player, which also supported their miraculously successful campaign last season. Some examples:
Ulloah - £8m
Kramaric - £9m
Huth - £3
Okazaki - £7m
Kante - £6m
Inler- £5m
Gray - £4m
..and these signings were made before prices essentially doubled with the TV deal impact. It just shows that even Leicester, who are talked about as having won the league without spending a penny have actually spent enough on 'quality' to make sure that firstly: they're IN the Premier League, without letting any of their key players leave. Not all players are guaranteed to come off if you spend that little more, but if you're paying values of around or below £2/3m like we have in the past (which is now say around £4m relatively), thinking they'll work out in the first team (e.g. Sanchez), then you're relying on luck to see if it'll work, and for us in the past 5 years it's failed almost every time.

So in short, what appeared to be us 'splashing money' was actually us buying too many cheap and unproven players (usually because their wages were low), whilst letting our strongest players go.

How do we learn from our mistakes now? KEEP hold of our best players and buy QUALITY, not quantity.
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Post by Mr Natterjack Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:59 pm

With Gil going to Deportivo, we've lost our joint third highest scorer from last season, if we're willing to sell Ayew we'll have lost our leading scorer from last season, if we sell Veretout, we'll have lost our leading assister from last season (twice as many as anyone).. and these players didn't even play the full season, but without their contributions, we're left with just a handful of goals. For a season where we need to be aiming to score 60+, we have to be very careful not to let the few remaining goal contributers go (I'd factor in Amavi's potential assists too). We need to IMPROVE and add to the quality we have rather than just REPLACING quality.
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Post by Sandie Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:17 pm

I agree with that Mr. N. Maybe the Championship is a lot poorer than I think but I would hope we don't go into our season in our current form as I can't see us making it out of the league. We still need quality recruits and to weed out some dead wood. And I'm making that analysis with the assumption that we won't lose players like Ayew, Veretout or Amavi. If they go then we'll be even weaker.

For all the early summer positivity we've made three signings of the kind of level Lerner might have gone for. I'm not judging them yet but two of them are punts on potential more than anything. Are they ready yet?
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Post by villabromsgrove Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:23 pm

There's been some thoughtful but hard hitting posts today. Let's hope that our owner and management are fully up to speed about the way forward. It's looking ominously like deja vu unless they commit to a ruthless upgrade policy.

I wish someone from AVFC would scan forums such as ours on a daily basis, because there's a wealth of Villa related experience here that money simply cannot buy!Dr. Tony Xia. - Page 14 205019816
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Post by Mr Natterjack Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:25 pm

I agree with you Sandie, in previously assuming that the likes of Ayew, Veretout and Amavi would be with us this coming season, leaving us with a fairly simple task of replacing our weakest few positions with some strong signings whilst freeing ourselves of our worst players.

However, after watching RDM's interview this week, he appeared to be saying 'we'll see who leaves and we'll try to replace them' rather than 'we'll move on the players we don't need', whilst clearly stating the priority is to sign a striker (personally I think we have the best strike force in the Championship right now, in Ayew (improving, huge potential, international class, in-form), Gestede (flashback a year and he'd just scored 20 goals in the Championship, ideal experience and proven in the league), Kozak (good back-up for Gestede, higher standard than most Championship strikers) and Gabby (would be happy to sit on the bench, generally is more effective against lower standard clubs, would be an ideal impact sub when needed).
So, for me.. if what RDM said is true, it sounds like our remaining additions will be:
a) A striker.
b) Replacements for those who leave us (who other clubs decide to buy from us, most probably the few desirable players we have)
The Dr. Tony tweet reinforces RDM's interview. Hopefully both were misleading comments, but being a Villa fan, I fear the worst.

I think it's likely that clubs will swoop in for Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye for the same reasons we bought them last year, and right now I could understand why someone like Ayew might be tempted to move to a club like Hamburg if they show interest. It's up to us as a club to make players want to stay by showing that we WILL be back in the Premier League by adding a couple of quality signings now, before they feel like nothing's really changed and are even more tempted to stray.

I also agree that the Championship is an extremely tough league, we'll be competing against teams who are specialists in this league, first 11's who know how to regularly win games, along with Newcastle and Norwich who outdid us last season.. and every Championship team we play will be giving 100% because we're Aston Villa- they'll be relishing their trip to Villa Park. If we enter the season with a team even slightly resembling last season's set up, we'll be struggling to come in the top half.
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