Re: Sherwood SACKED

by **Sandie** Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:45 pm

Good post there GM, based on his post match comments I don't think a resignation is likely, but I do think that he has a lot more self respect than a Lambert and might eventually quit if things continue as they are in the next few games. I don't think that they'll sack him yet either. The bookies don't often get it wrong and he's only 5th in the sack race odds: http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post think Advocaat will go imminently.

Arguments for him to stay? I can't really think of anything particularly compelling beyond him not having much time yet and a kind of blind hope that he might actually be able to hit on the right formation. Not good is it?

by **villabromsgrove** Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:25 pm

When you admit to not knowing your best team and to rejigging the tactics blindly each time you lose a match, it's time to go.
When you blame losses on players not being match fit in the month of October, it's time to go.

Sherwood should be getting a text or phone call from Tom Fox any second now.

by **villabromsgrove** Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:55 pm

Sunderland, Newcastle and ourselves are looking for new managers. Sunderland are in first and there aren't many decent available managers out there. If we don't sack Sherwood now, then the two north east clubs will get the best two managers available (whatever the cost) if they've got any sense. Villa will be in it's usual position of sorting through the left overs.

by GadgetMan Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:53 pm

Dick Advocaat has quit, so Sunderland will probably go for Big Sam. I can't see Newcastle sticking with Mclaren for too long either. I'd be having a long chat with Tim today and thanking him for keeping us up and then calling Allardyce.

by avfcff1982 Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:26 pm

I don't profess to know more than our manager, but he has lost his way, which was evident with yesterday's on pitch mess.

I would have thought he'd had long enough with his new players, to work out his best attacking options to get points, but I really think the job is too much for him, it's like he panics before the game, and is in fear of changing things during the game.

I had high hopes of him, and thought he would have settled into a good winning routine by now, WRONG.

I honestly hope he sorts it by the next game, and after, otherwise, we're screwed, and I'm sure he wont be sacked whatever happens.

Bright Future? Rolling Eyes

by **villabromsgrove** Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:30 pm

Tim Sherwood has a five year contract. That could be a stumbling block for our penny pinching owner, but there are way over one hundred million good reasons for changing managers, perhaps that will help.

by gdav Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:35 pm

I thought he was given a 3 & half year contract??

by **villabromsgrove** Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:58 pm

gdav wrote:I thought he was given a 3 & half year contract??

I really hope you're right gdav, I read last week that it was five years, let's hope that was an exageration. Three and a half years is at least three years too long. Sherwood SACKED - Page 3 3640643743

by GadgetMan Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:14 pm

villabromsgrove wrote:
gdav wrote:I thought he was given a 3 & half year contract??
I really hope you're right gdav, I read last week that it was five years, let's hope that was an exageration. Three and a half years is at least three years too long.

Yeah I think it's 3.5 years too (at least hope it is) you'd hope with all the manager problems we've had they'll be clauses in there too and performance related breaks (depends how smart fox really is?!)

We've paid 12m (before Lambert and appointing Sherwood) in manager 'fees' a disgrace alone.

When did we last hear from Tom or Randy (oh randy was when he said if he didn't sell he'd step down and appoint a new chairman, LIES) vote of confidence due soon?

by **Sandie** Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:00 pm

3 1/2 years is right: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4487424,00.html

Compensation might be a stumbling block assuming there's not some kind of clause like there was allegedly in Lambert's last contract.

by gdav Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:06 pm

It really feels like Groundhog Day being a villa fan.
New team, new manager, new ceo and a lot of new faces in management positions. Yet the same turgid mess served up each week.
I was all for giving Tim his chance this season when many headed warnings but I'm a sentimental prick. I'm afraid there's no room for sentiment in football & he needs to go now while we can still make up points on the rest.

by **Sandie** Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:40 am

Any of this sound oddly familiar?

by **Sandie** Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:29 am

Today's Sherwood round up:

The Daily Telegraph wrote: When asked if things could get worse before they get better, he replied: “Quite possibly, but I’m confident in my ability to turn this around.

“I don’t expect the fans to be patient. I don’t want to insult their intelligence. They want to be entertained and want to win matches.

“At the moment we’re not doing that so I 100 per cent understand their frustration and if they want to vent it on me that’s what I’m there for. I get paid to do that.

"I’m the same Tim Sherwood whose name they were singing last season. It’s too early for relegation battles. There are still so many points to be won.”

I wish I was confident in his ability to turn things around.

Pravda wrote:"Now I have to find the right ingredients to put them on the pitch at the right time against the opposition we play and try and get a spark. I am still searching for that.

"At the moment it isn't there.

"I keep changing the systems and changing the formations in search of that. On Saturday against Stoke it wasn't there. We need to find it.
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"I will be searching for the right formation and the right players to play in it.

"At the moment I think it's only right that I keep changing it because we're not finding the wins.

"I'd love to get that victory and keep with the same side for the next four or five weeks. Unfortunately I haven't got that luxury. I am still learning.

The Stoke Sentinel wrote:TIM Sherwood couldn't have got his tactics more wrong at Villa Park if he'd researched how to get a result against Stoke then said: "I'm going to the opposite."

His wingless folly left his star striker Rudy Gestede without any service, didn't ask the Potters any questions – and allowed Stoke's own wide men the freedom to put his side to the sword.

He started with an unthreatening 3-5-2 formation that played into Mark Hughes's hands. He made changes at half-time but unfathomably that was only to switch it to a midfield diamond.

(TBH, I only included this last one because of the damning description of Sherwood's tactics)

by **villabromsgrove** Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:26 am

If Sherwood can't see that his comments are only making a case for why he should be sacked then he's dafter than I thought.

If you don't know what you're doing, and you don't know how to do it, and you're jiggling about like a beginner with a Rubik's cube, then get your head down and say nothing, and hope that luck, bluff and more luck will get you there.

I think I'm still learning to win the lottery in the same way that Tim's "still learning to be a football manager."

by **Sandie** Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:49 am

I wonder what the top level management make of them. Do they see it as Sherwood talking a good game and being personable or do they see it as him showing weakness?

You'd like to think we actually have more than blind hope that Sherwood might stumble upon the right formula some time soon. I really want someone to make a compelling case for him to stay, I've not seen one yet. There's a few people on Facebook throwing around the 'F' word and saying they still have faith in Tim but they've got not much to say in order to explain themselves beyond trying to insult their fellow supporters.

I'm saying that as I want to believe. I don't see Tim leaving us imminently and I want to believe he can start hauling us away from trouble. I want something beyond 'well he did it last season (with a new manager bounce and two top players in Benteke and Delph)'. I want something beyond 'I still don't know my best team'. I want substance rather than misplaced self confidence.

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